Ridikzappa
2:03 Thu Aug 25
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Hairy
When will you leave the cult of Islam and be free?
Oh thats right, you are not allowed to and would be subject to the threat of death if you did.
Same goes for the woman who are forced to wear the burqa - SEE WOMAN'S RIGHTS IN IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA ETC
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Willtell
1:59 Thu Aug 25
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HairyHammer 1:50
Give me a break Hairy. I don't want to get on a plane with Muslims wearing Islamic uniforms either so if I ever see people reading Koran verses then I'll call the fucking police too...
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Marston Hammer
1:58 Thu Aug 25
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HairyHammer 1:50 Thu Aug 25
Does the war on terror not require everyone to be vigilant?
I doubt the woman thought they were gonna bomb the plane but she saw something she thought was suspicious and she it was best she reported it. Just because it turns out she was completely wrong doesn't mean she should've kept her suspicions to herself.
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Willtell
1:54 Thu Aug 25
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HairyHammer 1:42
Yes but you would say that wouldn't you? And you can change anything when it becomes a problem. That is what the law is for.
In France it is a democratic law unlike like that in most Muslim countries. The democratic majority of France do not want people covering themselves up so stop whingeing about it and get on with your life man...
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HairyHammer
1:50 Thu Aug 25
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Willtell
Listen, is that not what all the extra checks are for before one enters the plane?
Do we really need mickey mouse detectives too ?
How dumb are you or anyone for that matter to think that a Muslim reading a Koran or looking at their mobile phone equates to them blowing up a plane?, it is ridiculous.
What you see Willtell is what you choose to see, a bit like the person who made the phone call to the Police.
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Willtell
1:47 Thu Aug 25
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Reply Marston Hammer 1:33
Nuns are not my concern MH. Nuns are wearing a habit to declare that they are for no man and only given to God.
The Catholic abstention from sex has caused so many problems in the world taht it doesn't need me to further ridicule the practises while their religion is receding fast.
I understand that Islam does not specify Burkhas for their women. Middle eastern men living in the middle ages and afraid of another man desiring their woman is why the burkha is worn.
That is not liberated, equal nor fraternal....
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HairyHammer
1:42 Thu Aug 25
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I think France is playing a very dangerous game because they have a large poor disenfranchised Muslim community that has basically been thrown to the side.
You cannot allow things to merrily go on for decades and then decide those things are not in line with French society and take them away knowing full well they will hurt badly those you are denying.
For example the Muslim swim wear is just a conservative bathing costume, though why anyone would want to go into the sea fully clothed is beyond my understanding but how does it go against French Society or values? that is like saying a woman who wears a bikini is less of a slut and is better for France more than a woman who wears a one piece swim suit so then do we throw away the slightly more conservative one piece Muslim women probably 50% in foreign christian countries choose to cover their heads is this just now a big shock in France?
I understand something needs to be done to stop Islamic Terrorism but this is something that will only create more tension.
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Willtell
1:38 Thu Aug 25
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HairyHammer 1:22
A phobia is an unreasonable hatred. Islamophobia is not unreasonable when we see daily acts of terror by practicing Muslims...
You claim to be a moderate Muslim but surely even you can see that just by being an overt Muslim you will be viewed with suspicion? Virtually all the world's terrorists are Muslims....
Stop whingeing at us and whinge to your religious leaders....
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On The Ball
1:36 Thu Aug 25
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A phobia is an irrational fear. Sadly, where we are now is that a fear of Islam isn't completely irrational - hundreds of people die around the world every week in Islam's name (barmy believers or not, that's why they're doing it).
No, you're right, that wouldn't have happened. But then white girls with no head coverings don't have the longest record of terrorism, do they?
The problem is that the fear is a mortal fear, so people are unlikely to gamble. If there was a problem of Muslims going round tickling the innocent, would she have reported it? No - she was worried she might die. I'm a tolerant bloke but I'd much rather offend someone than take a chance.
Did this girl report them because she felt like being a cunt, or because she thought there might be a 0.1% chance that these people might be terrorists? We'll never know, but I'd say it's the latter.
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Marston Hammer
1:33 Thu Aug 25
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Willtell 1:29 Thu Aug 25
Are nuns forced to wear what they wear?
If you think middle eastern countries are backwards for dictating to women what they can and can't wear then I fully agree. Shame that France is doing the same.
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Willtell
1:29 Thu Aug 25
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Equality is something that women forced to wear Burkhas by their religious leaders should have though...
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HairyHammer
1:26 Thu Aug 25
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Willtell
Equality to practice ones religion, no ?
As for Secularism the woman is not a French MP is she, or teaching at a school?
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HairyHammer
1:22 Thu Aug 25
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on the ball
Can i be sure maybe not but had it been a white girl without a head covering looking at her phone no one would have given her a second look.
I cannot help but think that Islamophobia was at play.
Once again reading a Koran or reading Arabic have got fuck all to do with terrorism it is like me seeing some English man shout OI OI SAVELOY and then me telephoning the Police to tell them a dangerous football hooligan has been loitering and is going to start head butting people soon, it makes no sense.
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Willtell
1:20 Thu Aug 25
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France's republic is based on the premise of Liberty, Fraternity and Equality. Secularism is the unspoken 4th point.
A woman wearing clothing designed to label her as a Muslim - keep away - is not Liberal, fraternal or equal. Simple really.
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cornish
1:13 Thu Aug 25
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They blow people up don't they though.
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Marston Hammer
1:11 Thu Aug 25
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cornish 1:06 Thu Aug 25
neither do women wearing burkinis
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On The Ball
1:11 Thu Aug 25
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HairyHammer 11:31 Thu Aug 25
You absolutely cannot say that they are Islamophobes. You just can't because you don't know - you're assuming.
Let me extend that point. At the point of reporting, they didn't know whether the accused would go on to do something. The same could be said of (for example) the integrated Michael Adebolajo - if someone had reported him earlier that day, you'd have said they were Islamophobes. But he went on to do something pretty bad - it's only hindsight that makes these people wrong.
It's shit, but that's where people claiming to represent Islam have dragged us. Better safe than sorry, after all.
I know that using logic when it comes to religion is daft, but I hope you can see that.
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Willtell
1:07 Thu Aug 25
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That's the point of the "socially unacceptable" wording. France has a long history of nuns clothing so it is socially acceptable.
France doesn't have a long history of Islamic women walking around with everything except the eyes covered.
Most Muslim women in France don't do that - certainly not where I live anyway. France has 10% of its population from Muslim backgrounds but doesn't like it when they don't join in to the spirit of the secular republic....
UK could learn something from this imo...
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cornish
1:06 Thu Aug 25
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Marston nuns don't blow up people or behead them.
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HairyHammer
1:03 Thu Aug 25
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What makes it Socially unacceptable? the fact that a Muslim is wearing it I guess.
Covering the face is very understandable that is a great ban, but the swimsuit thing is truly picking at straws.
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Marston Hammer
1:00 Thu Aug 25
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Ah ok, I wonder if they're gonna make nuns strip down too.
fwiw I think people should be able to wear whatever clothes they like for the most part. I wouldn't allow the burka in banks, building societies etc and there are quite a few professions that should be barred to anyone who won't uncover their face (nurses, teaching, doctors etc).
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